Sunday Ponderings – can they reason?

I try not to pay attention; I really do. Unfortunately, the volume of righteous indignation emanating from Christians because of the recent SCOTUS decision is such that it occasionally spills over the barricades I erect against stupidity, hatefulness, hypocrisy, and just plain lack of common sense and decency. 

Here’s my view of Christians reacting to the news that yes, unbeknown to them, this is a land of (mostly) equal rights. 

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“Oh, woe is us!”

I have been planning this post for a few days now, jotting down ideas, refining my talking points, and struggling to keep anger, derision, and contempt from my words.

But, you know what?

These guys . . . 

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. . . are not going to listen to me, read my stuff, or pay me any mind. 

Even a few people in my own family, people who should read and try to broaden their understanding of complex and important issues, will have nothing to do with it. 

It’s not worth my time and energy . . . except I can’t just ignore the fact that even as Christians criticise Muslims’s desire for Sharia Law they would like nothing better than to impose the equivalent of it here in the good ole US of A.

Of course, it’s OK because it would be based on their own “good book”, not the other “good book”.

I’ve caught a few Fox News notables doing contortions as they, straight-faced, grill some Muslim or other about their “poor treatment of gays” just before railing against the “progressives” assaulting our values by advocating said gays should have the same rights as everyone else. 

I’ve caught Republican candidates (some multiple dozens of them) speak of the assault on “our values” and “traditional marriage.” 

This from people who, as a group, have a higher divorce rate than secular people.

Some comments seem positively insane, and I struggled to make sense of them:

I did some research . . . I concluded Huckabee thinks he’s living a hundred years ago.

As a side note, one of the biggest blowhards at Fox News posed the question “why did Republicans lose the last two presidential elections?” His self-arrived answer was basically a chastisement of Republicans who dared vote against their party. Never did he even come close to asking “why” anyone would vote against the candidates of their own party. The answer, Bill, is that Republican candidates come across as hateful people willing to readily throw the Constitution under the proverbial bus. Ponder on that for a while. 

If you are a Christian supporting “traditional” marriage as defined in the Bible, this next video should be informative; it explains exactly what that means and how it continues to change . . . and tells you that perhaps you should actually read the Bible as opposed to just holding it up whenever you want to throw a hissy-fit.

But, I’m catching myself throwing my own words around . . . Let me stop that and turn the podium over to Benjamin Dixon.

He speaks about the subject of gay marriage and gay rights HERE and HERE, and does so very eloquently, and not only that, he does it from a more advantageous position than I can. I have never, for as long as I remember, put any stock on the idea of religion having any right to tell me how I should behave and what I can and cannot do. Benjamin, on the other hand, was and preached as a minister. 

He also touches and does so very well, on another pet peeve of mine . . . the narrative being pushed by many of the religious that they are being persecuted. You can, and should, read about that HERE.

Honest, I despair for humanity whenever I hear Christians (or any religious person) bemoan how they are made to suffer because they are required to afford others the same rights they claim for themselves.

By the way, Benjamin touches on other social issues as well, such as abortion. Again, Christians get a lot of abortions.

“Ah,” some Christians say, “them are not ‘real’ Christians.”

It’s been my observation all Christians are “real Christians” until it benefits them not to be.

. . . it don’t speak highly for them of their faith . . .

By the way, Benjamin wrote a book; God is not a RepublicanIn it, he dissects the evolved relationship between the Political Right and Evangelicals and pointing out the many pitfalls therein.

And, if interested in what else this man has to say, click HERE and peruse his various articles. 

Don’t do it because I said you ought to; do it because you have a genuine interest in the reasoning of others, regardless if they agree with you or not.

Do it because if you are a Christian you owe it to yourself to answer a very important question; can I still reason or have I lost all rationality and capacity for independent thought?

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13 Responses to Sunday Ponderings – can they reason?

  1. sandra getgood says:

    Well said. I am often troubled by the people who use their personal beliefs…or their interpretation of them… as justification for trying to control the lives and thoughts of others. Everyone should have the right to live as they feel is the right way to live, but telling everyone else that the only right way is yours? Not acceptable. and yet this has gone on for thousands of years, people justifying all manner of cruelty and horror in the name of what they have in their own heads. But it does seem to be getting worse. the Crusades, the Inquisition, all the examples of this down through the ages….seems to be getting more and more personal, more and more an excuse to bully anyone who isn’t a mirror reflection of what each person, each “spokesman for a way of thinking, each politician who wants to bully everyone into doing what he wants them to do believes in.. Nobody listens, because everyone is yelling at each other.

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    • disperser says:

      One caveat, of course . . . if one feels their right to live involves hurting others, well then, that’s a problem. But yes, I know what you mean, and we obviously agree on something that would be so clear to all if only they put themselves in other people’s places and wonder how they would react.

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  2. Excellent, Emilio. Your post AND the comments in the comment section. You’ve given me some things to ponder and some links to check out. Thank you!
    I quit listening to news programs (especially Fox news) many years ago. They just upset me too much. And I’m getting tired of watching people argue and present such inane crap. Sigh. Your opening paragraph says exactly what/how I think and feel.
    Okay. Sometimes I DO watch Anderson Cooper…but, I don’t really hear what he’s saying, as I’m too busy looking at his handsome face!
    HUGS!!! :-)

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    • disperser says:

      I searched for the John Oliver video where he noted that Cooper has not aged in the last fifteen years and wonders if there is a picture of him somewhere a la Dorian Gray.

      As for the topic, I try not to get too worked up, but it’s equivalent to this (at some point you have to respond):

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      • HA! I love Monty Python! :-D
        Yes, I understand. And I do try to speak up…but, at some point I get so frustrated and defeated. Then I just get back to being a silly goof and keep trying to bring joy and fun into the world! :-)
        Ha! That’s great about Anderson! I toured the CNN building some years ago…and I asked the tour guide, “Will we see Anderson Cooper today? I want to see Anderson!” (I wonder if she thought I was a stalker! ;-) ) And she said, “No, he’s out of the country on assignment right now.” And I said, “Darn!” Later several of the ladies in the tour group thanked me for asking that question. As they were hoping to see him, too, but didn’t have guts to ask about him. ;-)

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      • disperser says:

        It must have been a blow to ladies everywhere when he came out.

        On the other hand, perhaps an equal number of guys rejoiced.

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  3. mybrightlife says:

    That melting pot that Dixon talks about is what interests me at the moment. I am starting to believe that survival is going to depend not only on how much we cut back on our use of natural resources and so on but on how much we ‘mix it up’ as people. Those are my two ‘wings of the plane’.. :) Holding onto Race and Culture feel as bad as organised religion, or certainly are used in the same way to cause chaos and damage through control and distinction from ‘other’. Yet so much value is still placed on ‘my culture’ or ‘my roots’. Until we can start thinking of culture and ‘being’ as something fluid which is constantly redefining itself and find joy and peace with that, understanding it as being healthy, we are in deep trouble….loved this post. Great links which I will share.

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    • disperser says:

      Yeah, and from what I can see there is resistance on all sides to the melting pot idea.

      When I hear speeches about “us vs. them” I know we are a long way from resolving anything, especially since the speeches come from vocal people on both sides of the race issue. It is, in fact, presented as a conflict from the get-go, and conflicts are engrained in people as something one has to win.

      It makes for a poor basis for rational and frank discussion of what are ultimately very difficult subjects.

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    • disperser says:

      Polar opposites can agree . . . but this is not the type of agreement I hope for:

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      • mybrightlife says:

        The appeal to our roots – for ourselves and others. What is that about? Clinging to culture. It reeks of similar tendencies found in religion – mans search for meaning – and yet even as I say it, I feel like I am stomping through hallowed ground…Must have been quite a day for Rockwell and his cronies…Can’t imagine that in the midst of that experience he would do anything else but be most amicable!

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      • disperser says:

        $20 worth of amicable, it seems. The message was, after all, one he wholly supported . . . one of segregation and separation.

        There are evolutionary imperatives pushing humans toward tribalism in many forms (religion, culture, etc.) but one would hope that we could reason ourselves past that.

        . . . one hopes in vain . . .

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  4. PiedType says:

    Funny how so many of them seem incapable of praticing their own Golden Rule, yet expect everyone else to.

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    • disperser says:

      Perhaps the thing that annoys me most is the assertion that granting rights to others is a form of persecution to them.

      If that does not show their true colors, I don’t know what does.

      I should mention; I know religious people who have no problem with the ruling or being accepting of gays in their lives . . . unfortunately, they are not the ones we hear from.

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